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VoiceLive Play - Preset With No Guitar Effects

Craig
posted this on January 7, 2014, 18:28

Repost from Mike:

Is there any way I can create a blank preset (I've seen the videos using voicesupport) for a GTX that has NO effects on the guitar input, but can still use effects on the vocal input?

 

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Craig
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Hi Mike,

I re-posted your question as a new post, rather than a response to Frank's question about screen reversal, just to keep the questions separated.

Hmm, when you say 'no effects on the guitar' do you mean a completely dry signal? Do you want that on all your presets? If so, I'd use the IN/THRU and bypass the internal processing for guitar altogether. It'll still pick up your chord information for harmony etc

If you want just that single preset to have no guitar effects, you'd change the AMP style to Acoustic and then make sure you turn the Reverb, Delay and uMod levels to OFF and set any EQ hi, mid, low levels to 0db.

Hope that helps!

Craig

January 7, 2014, 18:32
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Mike Elliott

I see that, sorry not used to these forums yet.

 

yes, I want NO guitar effects at all, I just want to use the looping function.  Does the looper still go out the "thru"?

January 7, 2014, 18:38
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Craig
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No worries Mike, using these forums is new to all of us!

The Looper won't go out the THRU, so you'd have to use the second suggestion I made. If you want no guitar effects for any preset, follow the above instructions, then go into the setup menu and turn GLOBAL GUITAR FX: ON. This will apply the current guitar effects (none in your case) to all of the vocal presets.

Next, set the unit to Dual Mono output. That way, you'll get mono vocals (with effects) from one XLR and mono guitar (no effects, since you turned them off) from the other XLR.

Cheers,

Craig

January 7, 2014, 19:25
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Mike Elliott

Thanks Craig, that's what I have done now.  It adds just a little too much gain for my setup.  I am running a Hughes and Kettner amp (Redbox DI) out to the GTX.  All my effects are controlled through a midi rig including a G Major 2.

If I run a blank preset, the guitar sounds great but the vocals efx have to be added downstream (my mixer).  And I don't benefit from harmony etc.  If I run the Acoustic amp, it adds a bit of gain and degrades my guitar tone but I benefit from the vocal efx.

 

I am sure I'll find a happy medium with the gain controls in the GTX and amp.

 

Thanks for your quick reply! TC is lucky to have a great tech like you!

 

Mike

January 7, 2014, 19:34
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Craig
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Heya Mike,

When you use the Acoustic Amp, you can still use the Level control to adjust the gains for your guitar. I'd set the guitar input level according to the manual (just before clipping), then use the Amp Level control to get a good sound within your headphones, then use the Guitar Mix control to adjust (likely turn down) your output level so it's useable at whatever other device you're going into.

Does that make sense?

-Craig

January 7, 2014, 19:41
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Mike Elliott

Yep, that's the way I am going to have to do it.  The problem is with the integrated redbox on the huges and kettner, it's a balancing act with the masters to get decent tone and not overdrive the input on the gtx (or any input for that matter).  Going from a gig that I use the DI/GTX, to a gig that I am using a speaker cab (no GTX) will require 2 sets of master settings on the amp.

January 7, 2014, 19:44
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brion fitz

I wanted to jump in here as I have a similar issue; perhaps the same issue..
New to the devise, just getting to know and I just integrated it into my pedal board!

I desire to be able to bypass the guitar effects on the fly. As this is a floor unit I do not want to bend down between songs and switch the guitar input to Thru, nor do I want to go out and by a A-B Switch to do the same.Is there really no way to hit a button for "guitar effects Bypass"?

I am not a fan of how the pedal's 'Guitar Effects' marry me to certain 'Vocal Effects', I really desire more latitude to be creative.

 

Can you help? Thank you.

January 4, 2015, 21:26
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Craig
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Hi Brion,

Switch3 allows you to map 3 of the guitar effects to the switches for direct access. You could use that to turn off the guitar effects you don't need/want in whichever preset. Or, you can save the presets with guitar effects turned off (amp at acoustic is off) for whichever songs you want no guitar effect on.

There's no way to completely bypass the guitar effects internally, since the device is intended to be either/or in terms of being your main guitar sound generator (main outs) or not at all (thru).

Cheers,
Craig

January 5, 2015, 21:52
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Mike Elliott

Is the switch 3 functionality as you describe (turning on and off the guitar effects) in a later firmware?  I didn't realize it had that functionality

January 5, 2015, 22:12
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brion fitz

HI guys, Craig Thank you for the reply. I appreciate that and that may just work for what I am trying todo. I am really trying to decide if I should return the devise for the vocal effects only version or stick with this one and have the guitar option when needed. Thank you.

January 5, 2015, 22:39
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Craig
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Hi Mike and Brion,

@Mike, the Switch3 controls have been there all along. With a S3 attached, you can define what each of the buttons do and guitar effects (Reverb, uMod, Delay, Boost) are available options. In fact, Boost is only available via Switch3.

@Brion, I totally understand the predicament. I'd go with whatever you think will give you the best result. If the price difference feels worth it to have the guitar option, then keep the GTX. If not, you get the same vocal effects via Play, except that you have to set key/scale manually (more reliable) or use RoomSense (less reliable) instead of guitar guiding things.

Cheers,
Craig

January 5, 2015, 22:43
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Frankie

To Brion...

If you dont want to use pedal for guitar effects and have totally dry guitar natural sound you can do this:

Connect your guitar to your mixer and on your mixer channels go with one cable AUX out with guitar sound to GTX pedal. In pedal setup you do stereo mode, and send only mic cable out to mixer (for vocals) and not guitar.

In that way you will get the guitar sound in mixer untouched by GTX, (natural), and from mixer you will send the signal to GTX just to help you with vocal part of the pedal. So you get vocals from GTX as you want and guitar direct to mixer untouched, but your AUX out sends Guitar signal to GTX and u use it for pedal, but not out again. It keeps stuck in pedal and goes nowhere out.

Hope that helps!

Cheers!!!

January 16, 2015, 16:24